Drug Abuse

[Dixi]

Should grade A drugs like Heroin and Cocaine be sold legally to addicts? It is just a thought at least we would get rid of the criminal middlemen whose only aim is to ruin young peoples lives.

Personally I don’t think it would help much, it is the personality of the person taking the drugs that really counts in the end. My family did everything we could to help my sister as soon as we found out what she was up to (Heroin) she died 2 years later.

[Uli]

Sorry to hear about your sister...

Well, I think if they should make them available, it shouldn't be easier to get to the drugs for first-time users, otherwise it would have a negative effect. The positive effect would be that big dealers wouldn't make a lot of money anymore and they couldn't add chemicals to it to earn more out of one delivery... And there might be a bit less crime because of it.
But I don't really think it would solve the general problem of drug abuse.

[abused and confused]

its a war we can never win. theyll allways be drugs the demand will allways be there.by making it legal you take out the mafia and the shit they cut it with.if they do make it legal and ,im swinging that way in my view i wouldnt want to see some herion addict doing it in the street which when i worked in london i did on a regular basis. if cannibis is becoming legal then the rest should be too.just do it in the privacy of your own home and if you do overdose ,youre on your own.too many genuine people here need the hospital beds and ambulances are beter off attending genuine cases.  my condolances to you dixi, my brother went the same way.he was beyond help.

[Alan]

A tough one - personally I don't think they should be legalised, but equally the adicts shouldn't be made criminals.

Studies where hard drugs are given out and administered for free by the state (so they can't be taken away and sold on) show that users can lead relatively normal lives (albeit still on drugs). Subutex a new drug could be one answer as it is very difficult to abuse unlike Methadone; with Subutex you can't get higher by taking heroine after you have it as it effectively blocks the 'receptors' that give the high.


Alan

[shan]

Trouble is that like with methadone, it can be sold. By legalising a drug you are not helping an addict tackle the cause of their problem. The problem isn't the drug, the drug is the symptom. I don't know what the answer is, I've never been addicted to anything more than cigarettes (which I'm not now), I always had my drug use under control and only used it for recreational purposes, and rarely partake nowadays. IMO legalising anything gives the government (and drug companies) a massive tax income and they'll only want to keep it there, like smoking for instance, it's not in their interests to have everyone give that up.

[jock]

Allways a dodgy subject this one ...

The people who use heroin e t c  can be  a probelm thats for sure . but not all of them ...ive known people on heroin who have been NO hassle to others at all, but thats a minority , the majority of heroin addicts in our area rob people , PENSIONERS ! on a  daily basis , Leave needles for kids to find in playparks and lying around in grassy areas where other might picnic at weekends e t c .

I cant see legalising heroin solving anything , BUT saying that , maybe there would be a way for addicts to take it in controled surroundings ?

Personally ..im getting to a stage where i cant handle these fuckers being around me anymore, they need put down as far as im concearned as the
ones around this area are parasites.

I addmitt that ive taken loads of 'stuff' in the past ..everything but heroin infact .. BUT if i cant afford to go out at the weekend i stay home, i DONT go rob an old dear , if i cant afford to eat i dont rob anyone !  

All the muggings around this area over the years has sickend me , maybe even hardened me up a bit more cos now i have NO feeling s towards
Junkies at all , the probelms they cause in the community makes me angry.

Im angry at the state of this little town these days ... my own mum cant walk the high street without the risk of being mugged !! FUCK that !

shes seen two stabbings , and been around the high street when two muggins took place , this was four weeks after my dad died ,  she's frightend to pick up her pension on her own !!...  they've even tried to break into her house ...NAH !  heroin is best destroyed and if one of them junkies is caught breaking into property or mugging someone then extreme violence should be used on them .

Im sorry , but thats the way i feel about junkies these days.

right to the point ...KILL the fuckers .

Some of you know the hassle we had with a familly who moved in downstairs from us ...the Police and council couldnt OR wouldnt do anything to help us , the police were here on a daily basis , SO i got some of my mates to drop in ..they sorted the problem out within half an hour, and weve had NO hassle ever sinse ..YEH we got told we  were dead e t c ..BUT im over the threat part ..i wont listen to it anymore  get in my face with that junked out shit and take what comes.

in this case violence stopped it in its tracks , its not something im proud off but im glad it happend as it would still be the same today ..police here , people being sick in the driveway , partys every night e t c .

SO ..legalising heroin might help in some ways , but i think the effects that drug has on the individual might just cause more greif than its worth .

sorry if ive been a bit heavy in this answer , but its a real heavy subject for me .

[abused and confused]

AT THE END OF THE DAY MY BORTHER DIED DIXIES SIS ETC BUT, I DONT MISS THE BASTARD.HE ROBBED A LOT OF THINGS FROM THE FAMILY. I EVEN HAD  G S T QUEEN ON A+M THAT WENT .  HEROIN IS ALL ABOUT ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY.  "SELF PITY"  NO ONE FORCES THAT FIRST FIX ON YOU,THEY MOAN ON ABOUT HOW HARD LIFE HAS BEEN  ETC. THATS BULLSHIT AND A COP OUT.MY LIFE HASNT BEEN A BED OF ROSES EITHER BUT YOU GET ON AND LIVE IT COS ITS ALL YOU KNOW.LIKE JOCK SAYS THEY MUG DEFENCLESS OAPS ETC.... SCUM. THEY SHOULD WEAN THEM OF IT ONCE AND ONCE ONLY AT THE STATES EXPENSE.NONE OF THIS METHADONE SHITE JUST COLD PANFULL TURKEY.THEN IF THEY GO BACK ON IT PUT THE FUCKERS IN JAIL (IF THERE S SUCH A THING AS A DRUG FREE ONE,WHICH  I DOUBT).THEN IF THEY CARRY ON THROW THE FUCKING KEY AWAY.LIKE JOCK SAYS I TOO HAVE TRIED LOADSVE  DRUGS,IF YOU CANT PAY YOU CANT PLAY.HEROIN IS FILTH FROM THE ACTUALL SHOOTING IT UP TO THE WHOLE LIFESTYLE THAT SURROUNDS IT.

[shan]

I see what you're saying Jock, sometimes to 'talk their language' is the only way to get through to people, whether it's a positive way or not. I understand what you mean.
It's a really hard thing to do to see someone as an addict, even if you don't know them well and I really feel for families of people who rob their own for their fix and there's nothing they can do about it. To be honest there's only ever been two people I ever knew to have a habit who I actually liked, one was on methodone for years and had become a kind of 'sensible junkie', he was probably about mid thirties but looked about 50, but I trusted him same as any other mate. The other was a friend of mine who was a nurse, she was a heroin addict for 13 years and nobody knew! She held her job down for all that time too.
It's all too easy to pass your responsibility onto something or someone else though, and I dare say a few of us have done various substances to silly extremes (I know I have!), but managed to walk away and get our heads together when it started to become not so much fun anymore. We all have to accept responsibility for ourselves, and while anyone in a mess deserves a helping hand, I agree with Jock that sometimes it's a shock that's needed for people to realise there's other people on this planet besides themselves.

[jock]

It is a heavy subject Shan & markus ... its sad to know your familly have suffered through heroin addiction Markus .

i just signed in to say another old person has been robbed n our town
in the safety of his home while he slept !  the old bloke 's wife is dying
in hospital and hes been robbed ..OK it may not be junkies , maybe i
shouldnt post this until i know for sure ... BUT in the area where he lives there high heroin abuse , and addicts all round him .

This i hate !     :|

[abused and confused]

odds on mate .poor old geezer .thing is if they are caught ,its a slapped wrist here in the uk.the should be given a much harsher sentence. BASTARDS.

[jock]

Hi Markus ..

your right ,the system stinks .  

Theres a bloke in our street done an armed robbery in  alocal shop , he held a knife to a girls throat while he robbed the shops takings , he got 200 hours community service , only because he had an addiction ! the judge felt sorry for him because he was allready addicted !!
 
He was ordered to stay out of trouble for 3 years ( PHEW hard on him or what )
AND he was told to stay off the drugs and attend an anti drugs rehab thing every week...   this was a year ago ...hes selling heroin now, and is
a theiving little shite

YET if i were to bang the shite of Carols ex for years of abuse towards us id go to jail !!!  
my beleif in the system has been totally destroyed ...fuck them and their law !       I firmly beleive in tooth for a tooth .

[abused and confused]

bullshit jock and we all fucking know it. id take the law into my own hands time after time with junkies and perverts.if someone disagrees with me then FUCK OFF! id love to catch a junkie in the act of thieving off someone, especially old.they need their fucking fingers broke(and perverts need shafting with a jagged bottle right up the fucking arse then left to bleed to death rehab dont work kill the filth).these judges are outve touch.they arrested one last week ( a judge) for downloading kiddie porn.it turns out hes let the majority of perverts off that have been up in front of him.he received a suspended sentence.he should be suspended off a fucking rope.my brother was a thieving little bastard he got what he deserved fuck him.this methadone programme is giving free and keeps the bastards addicted.if you have a cigarette addiction you have to pay for patches even though that shite is legal and you pay loadsve taxes when you buy fags.i remember working in tottenham court rd just off oxford street london.two junkies stood in broad daylight injecting in front of kids etc.i confronted a policeman whio was putting tickets on parked cars and told him, he said" im not interested" what a fucking joke.