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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2009, 12:48:38 PM »
Here's TV from my favourite interview. See Wake Up interview with Dave T in 'TV interviews'...

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TV: "Xpulsion put out Channel 5 and went bankrupt two weeks later, before they'd even got the records out of the warehouse. The happy good luck story continues! (Laughter) I don't think me and the record business were meant to be together!"

Dave T of Wake Up: THIS MUST HAVE BEEN VERY DISPIRITING FOR YOU BY NOW.
TV: "Yeah, I think that was probably my lowest point. I went to see my folks in Devon for a week and got a phone call to find out that Xplusion had gone bankrupt. I remember it being a really beautiful day. We went to the seaside and I was sitting by the sea and the sun was out and it just seemed like there was this black cloud of knowing that a record company I was at back in London had gone down. And it was very difficult to think of any way forwards after that, you know. Yeah, I was angry and very disheartened. What do you do? What was to happen to all the songs I'd written? Almost immediately I started writing again - as you do; when you get knocked down, you just try and quickly stand up again. So Tim and I carried on recording, we thought it would be best to try and put the record out ourselves, so we dealt directly with the distributor to try and put it out in the shops, drew the sleeve and went to the printers, did everything ourselves. And of course no-one paid it any attention. That really was the final nail in the coffin of my recording career, so from that point, we just carried on doing demos for our own pleasure. 'Cos I love writing and I love playing the tunes and getting mates to play on them and every time you come up with a new song, you don't know why no-one else is interested but it's great.
And I stopped doing the rounds of A&R men, said "Stuff it, it's just a waste of time". They kept telling me to give up basically, in the subtlest of ways but sometimes straight out - "You've had your day, now give up".

Dave T of Wake Up:THERE'S A LOT OF UNRELEASED SONGS FROM THAT PERIOD. WILL THEY EVERY SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY?
TV: "There are probably sixty to a hundred unreleased songs. I guess maybe, in some shape or form. The thing is, I still really like a lot of those songs, some of them are really good. I was completely unrestrained by any musical direction because I was nothing to do with anything that was fashionable. The only restraints were the instrumentation in that they were quite keyboard and acoustic guitar based, as it was the two of us working together and then we'd get Tim on electric guitar and put a drum machine on. Every now and then we bumped into a drummer or bass player and started using them for a couple of tracks, if we could afford to find a rehearsal space. But it did mean that the songs themselves were all over the place stylistically, which I really liked. I've always liked that, not being restrained to one style. A few of them I would like to record again. A few I wouldn't, because I wouldn't be convinced about them now but I think they're curiosities from the time. The only question is, would anyone be interested? The actual time it takes to organise something like that is not  something that I have at the moment. I'm certainly not against the idea of sometime being able to sit back and thoroughly go through that old stuff and see what I can do."

"The more you live and experience what's
going on, and the more oppressive the
country becomes, the more politicised you
become, the more you feel the need to put
some of this stuff directly into lyrics."


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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2009, 01:20:39 PM »
Here's Uli's interview with Tim Cross.

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6. After this (for the rest of the eighties) T.V. had difficulties in finding a recording contract. What are your views on this and the "music business" in general?

Oh don't get me started on the music business. Like most musicians
I'm lousy at business, I just want to make music. I was best at
business when I worked in advertising when you asked for buckets of
money to write a 30 second piece of music to advertise something that
didn't matter. Those days are long gone. When you're doing something
you actually believe in, it's hard to be dispassionate about it, let
alone put a price on it. A&R men have no more idea than anyone what is
going to be the next hit, so they are simultaneously controlling and
cautious. You get ripped off, they compromise you, they don't listen,
and my god they don't understand. You just do your thing and trust that
by making the right musical choices, you will be allowed, by some
kindness of fortune, to survive.


I also had an interview withTim Cross at the first EARTHBOUND. Later that night Klaus discoveresd some of the secrets of the demo's Lost in the 80's from Tim Cross.

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We leave the venue and head onto the road for a long journey through the night. Tim Cross tells me many stories about his work with TV over the years, which I wish I could remember but I was kind of drunk."

Excerpt from 'Lost in the 80's by Klaus Fleischer 24.07.08 
« Last Edit: December 20, 2009, 01:22:46 PM by Tj »
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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2009, 01:24:03 PM »
Finally here's the third Tim talking about the 80's demo's in Uli's interview...

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5. ULI: What do you remember about the demos TV recorded in the 80's, did
 you play on some of them? What did it feel like re-recording two of
 them (Open up your heart and Trojan Horse) a good 20 years later?

TIM RENWICK: We used to get together at Tim Cross's house and I'd stick guitar
parts on various tunes of TV's not really knowing whether they were
demos or not! I really liked both of those songs, although the
original Trojan Horse sounds a little wobbly these days - hence the re-
recording.
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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2009, 07:18:10 PM »
Here's some more about the 80's Demo's from Dave T's interview at Wake Up. This time it's the Carrying On Demo's that lead into Channel 5...

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TV: By now Tim Cross was back from the Mike Oldfield tour and gagging to work with me again, so again we'd record demos on an 8-track recorder with just the two of us. There was no one to break up, so some of the cloud was removed; we had a stable partnership where at least I could carry on putting songs onto tape, even if no one would ever hear them.


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TV: Tim Renwick is a really great guitarist, a well known guitarist, who worked for nothing because they liked our stuff, and we recorded that - just the three of us. Tim Renwick had a garage behind his house in Richmond and we rehearsed there. We couldn't afford a drummer, didn't know any drummers, didn't have any rehearsal space, so we used a drum machine. Those were the circumstances we were working in.
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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2009, 07:24:03 PM »
I leave my precious Legend of the 80's Demo's with this Wake Up quote... 

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TV: A few of them I would like to record again. The only question is, would anyone be interested? The actual time it takes to organise something like that is not  something that I have at the moment. I'm certainly not against the idea of sometime being able to sit back and thoroughly go through that old stuff and see what I can do."

I'd just like to state for the record that I am very, very, very interested, Mr TV, Sir.

I've a feeling I'm not alone. ;)
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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2009, 09:23:59 PM »
I'd just like to state for the record that I am very, very, very interested, Mr TV, Sir.

I've a feeling I'm not alone. ;)


You're very definetely not.

But I've a feeling that TV already knows that.... ;)
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we fix it up again somehow
We can do anything..."

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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2009, 10:13:22 AM »
More than a feeling...

Very true Meike, but it's going to take more than a feeling to encourage TV to put all the in work to get these magnificent demo's released. ...It's going to take demand. Even TV sometimes has to play the supply and deman game. Look how long its taking him to shift those Production House Coming Round singles from the mid 80's. ;)
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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2010, 11:33:44 AM »
We've not been talking about 80's demos for a while! Guess it has to do with TJ being offline...  ;)

I'm sure there are quite a lot of TV's fans who would like to listen to some of those old demos.
We'll have to wait and see what will appear: re-recordings or the original demos?
Just around the corner and miles away...

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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2010, 11:57:07 AM »
Uli, between you and me...
You'll get the original stuff...  ;D
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We can do anything - That' the wonderful thing...

Carrying On"

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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2010, 09:38:50 AM »
Ah cool, thanks for the info! Let us know more!  8)
When, when when?  ???
How many of them demos will we be able to listen to? All of them? A selected few?
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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2010, 06:19:32 PM »
You won't be disappointed and you won't have to wait long.   8)
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We can do anything - That' the wonderful thing...

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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2010, 09:32:36 AM »
Sounds exciting!  :)
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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2010, 12:21:48 PM »
Yes, really sounds exciting...
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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2010, 01:42:21 PM »
@ Klaus:

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Re: The Legend of The 80's Demo's
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2010, 04:58:24 PM »
Having read all the great stuff in this thread I remembered something I had stashed away somewhere and set about digging it out.
Here it is, given to me in the early 80's (pre 1985)