ANTI-WAR/PEACE EVENTS

[Tj]

Without appearing to be insulting or negative in anyway, one of the problems that continually occur with forum's is that they generally are dominated by a small group of insiders or friends and usually have an internal click going on. Whenever someone appears there "uninvited" disruption can occur if they do not conform to the groups idea of themselves and their social values and can be seen as threatening. It is not my intention to disturb anyones peace and the only place on this forum that you are likely to come across posts by me is under the topic of Politics, War etc. It is hardly likely that this subject area would be dominated by roll-over false politician's smiles is it? I am on TV Smith's website aren't I? Fog

Hi TUTS,

You've got to admit that Fog does have a point. I remember that, that bloke from Clifford jumped on Tampax Sucker a little too quick. :wink:

Welcome to TV land Fog.   Talking of the weather Fog, here we prefer the sun shining in a cloudless sky to clouds and rain. But I'm Tj Sundown and I set off with an unusual name, so what do I know.

We are all born, we grow up, we live a bit and then we die. But never mind m8 'cos today's not going to be a bad day. I can feel it in my bones. I can see the light on the horizon and I might just head on home.

The more TUTs the merrier I say
 

[Anonymous]

The word "Party" by definition means "a group of persons united in opinion." So maybe we should change the name of the organisation to "A group of persons united in opinion for peace" so that it is fully understandable and cannot be misconstrued to be something that it isn't.
The Party For Peace project is devoted to influencing public opinion, heightening awareness and raising money for charitable concerns and anti-war action. As such it does not rely on politician's validations or approval in order to carry out it's objectives. It is in the nature of politicians to attempt to undermine and disparage all attempts at questioning their authority and anyone offering alternative solutions to the problems and issues that they lay claim to being the only ones to fully understand. Therefore I do not care for what politicians find amusing nor take seriously as this always contains some form of self-expediency and choose only to concern myself with influencing the majority of the poulation as this is what forces politicians to change their policies. All events regardless of their title that are dedicated to the reduction of holocaust and averting war are valid events and as such should be supported by anyone that is of the opinion that wholesale slaughter of innocent individuals is abhorent.
It is interesting that you say you saw a few techno references on the site and thought about doing a little joke about your attitude towards techno-music when there are no references to techno music on the site. It makes me wonder whether you actually read any of the content of the site which as I originally stated is very much out of date and to reiterate the message in the original posting we are modyfing and updating this site that is currently not in use to be used for current events.

[Klaus]

Fog,

is it so hard for you see that this was just a misunderstanding?
Taking yourself so damned serious doesn't make this world a better place.
Caring for what's going on on this planet is very importang, I agree, but
Can't you just take my apologies and leave this discussion behind.

You sometimes have to understand people in order to get what's going on in this world, so just try to understand what happened today, when I saw your post and visited your site for a few clicks.
I didn't browse the site for hours in order to find any references to techno.

When I saw Party for Peace I immediately thought of partying, that's what I said before. Now I went to your site and saw this logo which could belong to a techno-website as well. Sorry, but that's how I (narrowmindend as I am) felt about it.

Then I saw something with Trance as the second logo on the who-page.
Megalomania does sounded to me very technoish to me as well.
When I visited the radio stations site I saw scifi on the top and when I scrolled down I saw that you play techno-music.
The colours you use on the site could easily belong to a techno-theme-site.
That was my quick impression after 1 minute on your site.
When I look at it now, I see, that it isn't a techno site, as I said before.

People make assumptions when they see something that's normal and that doesn't necessary mean that they are narrowminded.

I am caring a lot about the threat of war and all the innocent victims it may cause, but I am definitely not going to stop making little harmless jokes. Stopping me making jokes wouldn't help anyone on the whole wide planet. That's sure.
Yes, this is the TV Smith site, and TV definitely isn't one who takes himself too death-serious all the time.

Night
Klaus

[Fog]

I hadn't seen your previous message before the last one that I posted.
You are not wholly mistaken in your translation of "Party" (though it is a double edged sword) as we do believe that events organised in a partying spirit are more likely to have a positive effect on people rather than somber events. You are also not mistaken in our involvement in Techno and Trance, is there something wrong in that? Having fun can be an effective means of combatting negativity sometimes. If every time Tim did a gig everybody left totally dejected, it wouldn't be very long before he didn't get any bookings and from my experiences of TV gigs they are usually pretty upbeat affairs with plenty of smiling faces. My motivation for posting the message in the first place was that I regarded this forum about Politics, War, etc. to be a valid place for such information. Yes I am very serious, highly arrogant and at times downright confrontational when I feel the need to be. There is however no need on your part to apologise for having an opinion, if you didn't have one then that would be cause for concern. I accept it none the less as I feel you mean it with the right intention. Thanks.
Gute Nacht mein freund.

[jock]

Almost a war on the WAR part of the new forum then ?  :roll:   :wink:

[Klaus]

There is however no need on your part to apologise for having an opinion, if you didn't have one then that would be cause for concern. I accept it none the less as I feel you mean it with the right intention. Thanks.
Gute Nacht mein freund.

Fog,

I didn't apologize for having an opinion and I never will. That's something you put in my mouth. I apologized for translating badly and creating a link to techno and love-parade which according to your previous posts doesn't exist. Now it looks like there actually is a link to techno and partying, so there seemed to be no need to apologize. Anyway, I am able to admit when I did something wrong, even if I wasn't that wrong this time.

My opinion about techno: I don't like it.
I've been to one or two techno events and I must say there have been few leisure activities I experienced which made me feel more sad than those techno parties.
The atmosphere seemd to be very uncommunicative most of the time. There may be special areas at each event where there's another atmosphere, but that doesn't make the main part of such events (the loud music etc) more attractive for me.
It may be a prejudice and I would be very happy to be proven wrong, but a lot of those people seem very superficial to me. Maybe there's a difference in the techno scene between Germany and the UK, I don't know. I hope so.

Fog, I really hope you are staying a part of this forum. When we started this section of the forum last week, it was our intention to raise discussions among the visitors of this forum. We don't want to be left alone here. All of the TUTS here are trying to attract more and more people to this forum whatever personal affinities they have. (Apart from raising wars, of course; that's what we don't like that much)
In the real world you have the same problems when you come into a group of people who have already been together for a long time. There and in the internet it's normal that people are reluctant to people at the beginning. As long as they are friendly and reluctant it is OK. And that's what we are always trying to be.

Klaus


PS: Jock, this is no war. Or do you see any legs lying around? :wink:

[PK]

Hi Klaus,

Strange this isnt it  :!:

Lots of new "anti-war" posters popping up on the forum now due to TV's involvement with the worldwide protests going on  :?

Cant help but feel that the forum is only a "vehicle" for them to put their point across and the "music" content of this site is of only marginal interest. :evil:

And with the exception of Markus they always seem to get upset when you dont see eye to eye with them. You & Fog,TJ & Tampaxsucker,to name two  :!:

If the war doesnt happen (I hope) or it happen's and ends quickly (more likely) I'd be willing to bet that we never hear from these people again  :!:

Or am I just being cynical  :?

HOBGOBLIN :twisted:

[jock]

PK has a point .
maybe the people in this forum wont ever hear from the likes of Fog again after all this war crap is over , but i for one would like to give peice a chance , and so longs fog is doing something positive towards protesting against this war  then i wouldnt mind him using the forum as a vehicle .

It cant be bad if the word is spread through every means possable to try and stop this war .

It would be nice however if the people ( like Fog ) who do use the forum , gave TVSmith 's music and protest song " NOT IN MY NAME" ( downloadable from this very site Fog m8  :wink:  :roll:  ) a listen .

Have you any of TVSmiths work fog m8 ? do you play TVSmith on your radio station ?  if not then you really should be playing NOT IN MY NAME for starters  :wink:

jock

[Klaus]

PK and Jock,

I am afraid PK is right when he expects that most of those people never turn up again, after they 'put their point across'.

Otherwise -like Jock- I think it's OK if they are doing it for a good cause and I would never think about stopping them from doing this.

Forums are this way. A lot of people step by, take a look and most of them leave for good. Some stay and become a part of it. As long as people don't stop by in order to make a mess or insult other people, we can't complain about it. And so far we were lucky.
If TV gets more and more known in the world outside, which we all hope, we'll see a lot troublemakers in this forum, I am afraid.

Jock, here's an excerpt from one of Fog's posts:

I intend to mirror TV's track on the website when it is re-constructed and shall be mailing him about that soon.

So he already got plans to offer NIMN for download from his site.

Klaus

PS: To avoid misunderstanding: Fog, you are no troublemaker.

[PK]

As always Jock,bringing some refinement to my otherwise lumbering comments  :lol:

Frankly your right,I totally agree....is Fog playing any TV stuff on his site  :!:

I really wasnt bothered after reading the messages back and forth between Klaus & Fog,but now I'm going to have a look  8O

At the very least there should be a link to TV's free-download anti-war song  :?

I will report back if the techno-nerds dont get me first.  

HOBGOBLIN :twisted:

[Klaus]

I will report back if the techno-nerds dont get me first.  

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[PK]

Have come back from an extensive look at "party for peace" & "meglomania.radio" sites.

I'm sorry if this is going to upset anyone,but its a complete load of garbage  :evil:

Looks more like a promotion site for a DJ trying to organise rave/dance parties  :!: Also the links all seem to be commercial that I can see.

The "alternative" music has no relevance to any protest "peaceful" or otherwise.

I'm sorry Klaus I know you want to keep the "peace" and a link to the NIMN song would be a start but I dont think Fog is in the same ballpark as us.

Again sorry but you did ask me in another post to express our views  :twisted:

HOBGOBLIN :twisted:

[Klaus]

PK,

no need to be sorry.
You seem to confirm the first impression I got from the site.
Sad but true...

Klaus

[jock]

PK is right about that site ...... i too went through some of it and found nothing in perticular to link it to anti war demos or whatever .

Maybe some of the rave tunes are anti war rave tunes though  :wink:  :roll:  i suppose it atkes all sorts of music to make the world go round , and only the ravers would understand wheather or not the tunes they are dancing too are anti war tunes  8O  :?  GAWD it gets
worse   :lol:

HHmm....

jock

[Mrs Fleagle]

Over the next couple of weeks we are modifying one of our websites that has been sitting redundant for a while to accommodate info and listings for any anti-war/peace events that are planned or being planned

I am right in asumming that the Anit War events section for current events isn't actually up and running yet  :?

May be worth another visit to the site at a later date  :?:

Mrs Fleagle  :roll: