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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2003, 10:40:52 AM »
everyone to their own but i found them as original as a pop idol clone.the clash were just rock and roll to me.slogans that became a fashion.they robbed and stole everything they wrote they even stole communism and used that,"sten guns in knightsbridge"? to me that was knicker elastic music,thats the clash.a nice bloke sure but ,the music ? its not for me.i can say i never liked or bought one single record."they said that we were trash the name is the clash,thay can stuff their punk credentials cos its them that take the cash".     i also read a recent interview with keith levene (ex pil, ex clash) he stated that he met joe strummer in a studio years later after his departure from the clash in l.a. and joe pretended he didnt know who he was .later he admitted he did know.as i said all to their own but they were not to me what the musical term "punk" is all about.incidently it was keith levene who got strummer into the clash.
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2003, 10:57:19 AM »
I can remeber by the time 'Give 'em enough rope' had been released that I didnt really like The Clash. I wont comment on their politics as far as the punk movement is concerned but I will say that their 'aggression' seemed somehow hollow and false, particularly when compared to bands like SLF and The Ruts. I was not sad that he had died and reading that he ignored an erstwhile 'mate' only confirms my suspicions that they were not the cornerstones the industry has cracked them up to be. Incidentally when you say nicker elastic I am assuming that you mean that Strummer wore his part in the band as someone might wear a gold medallion to a disco? They did seem that way, which is cool if your going to make it clear that that it is what your about but pretending to be a spearhead of Anarchy???

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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2003, 11:31:36 AM »
Each to there own , everyone is entitled to there own opinion ...and to be honest i never really got into the "Anarchy" thing anyway ... i just liked the music from punk era .

Joe and the Clash were just another band i could listen too and enjoy there music  , they fitted in with the music of that time , and i certainly wont forget them in a hurry ....

its just music .
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2003, 12:16:52 PM »
dont get me wrong most punk bands were shit by the time the shitstem had got hold of it.thats why i got inot crass pretty heavey.it wernt for the music (it couldnt be being crass!) punk was great in 76 77 then it got commercialised bands got bought and caught as they allways do.money takes over and the people lose out again.they become "bands " we become the "audience". crass never sold out and lived the ideoligy of what they stood for to the full and they cant be knocked for that.how many bands can say they sold thousands upon thousands of records without the aid of a record company.they even had thatcher asked in prime ministers question time if she had heard ther record sheep farming an anti falklands war song.???  i just thought and knew the clash jumped on a bandwagon and didnt really mean anything to me wearing slogans on clothing changed nothing and started another shallow fashion on the kings road. the sex pistols were the first  of thier kind in the uk and influenced very many bands but,i dislike them now a lot they were malcolms puppets who may have ripped off a few major labels but it was the kids who were exploited and ripped . reunions etc they too annoy me as any band does who sells out to the system they say the despise.crass never get mentioned on any punk programme and that is wrong.you see its not the music with me its getting up their and saying what you feel to be real.
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2003, 12:20:51 PM »
slf are a true good band.
ts not the end but,the BEGINNING.

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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2003, 07:20:59 PM »
HI Markus m8  8)  

yeh i aggree about Crass e t c  ....   i was meaning ( in my last post ) the early first wave of punk rock ... that was my favourite era , all the early bands gave me the music i still love and listen too the most .
the second wave was a different breed of people ...more into the hardcore politics e t c .... very serious bands like Crass or Discharge ...hard hitting music and direct to the point lyrics ....  i liked all that music too , and cant knock any band like Crass , as they lived the lifestyle .    But i liked that first wave best , the Clash , Cortinas , Buzzcocks , Damned e t  c .... all great bands .
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2003, 09:50:23 PM »
Great Lyric

Great song

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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2003, 12:11:31 PM »
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I wont comment on their politics as far as the punk movement is concerned but I will say that their 'aggression' seemed somehow hollow and false, particularly when compared to bands like SLF and The Ruts. I was not sad that he had died and reading that he ignored an erstwhile 'mate' only confirms my suspicions that they were not the cornerstones the industry has cracked them up to be. Incidentally when you say nicker elastic I am assuming that you mean that Strummer wore his part in the band as someone might wear a gold medallion to a disco? They did seem that way, which is cool if your going to make it clear that that it is what your about but pretending to be a spearhead of Anarchy???

Wilyfox


Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion on anything Wilyfox, including what they think of The Clash, I find your post in very poor taste. I would personally be sad in Will Young, Robbie Williams, anyone from a naff boy or girl band, or just about anyone died.

I have read all the warts about The Clash in detail in the latest version of The Last Gang In Town and they were far from perfect. However despite all their games, I still consider them the very best punk band of 1977. The Only year of punk. The people I know who met Joe spoke very highly of him.

The uplifting words in tribute to Joe Strummer that started this interesting debate are not mine. They are the words from a new song by a band I also like.

Here's some more:


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"You lit a flame in my heart
And it is still burning still
And everytime I hear you shout  
It still gives me a thrill

So thanks for giving me my creed
I'll try to stay on side
For helping me to dare to dream
After all this time
Cos I still see you up there
On a stage and playing
Yeah, I still see you up there
I still agree with what you're saying

Goodbye inspiration
Voice of a generation"

Jake Burns of SLF


It was The Clash that influenced SLF to start the band.

I am sat here proud and shaking with rage, and trying to remain calm, in my THE CLASH t-shirt and some of these words above I have just read are making me sad and sick. But it's a free world and I'm not going to get into a The Clash vs The Ruts or The Clash vs Sid Vicious argument etc. But I do know that despite the fact that I wasn't a massive fan of both, Malcolm Owen or Sid Vicious (give me Sex Pistols '76 anyday), I was sad when they died.

GAWD Bless you Joe. They know not what they say.


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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2003, 01:04:43 PM »
yes jock the first wave of punk was great until it was bought out by the majors.like i said everyone to their own but the ckash to me are bubblegum rock dont like them full stop.and for strummer to blanc a ex mate and band member knowing full well who it was is snobby and stupid.we both know jk lhas faults like us all but that is unnessessary.i dont like the clash never have and never will.
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2003, 01:58:17 PM »
I kinda liked The Clash for years, I have all their regular studio albums...
Somehow I must admit that I didn't listen to them anymore from a certain point in time (about ten years ago?), I got a bit tired of them.

But I was really sad when I heard about Joe's sudden death. I haven't got his solo albums except for the first one (from 1989), but one song I heard was quite good (from the last album Global-A-Go-Go or what it was called)!

Well, maybe Joe just didn't like that guy and thus pretended not to know him, that's none of our business, it's down to Joe's personality and who he wants to know or not is his decision :!:
I don't think it was because Joe was acting as a "superstar" or anything of that, I guess it was just personal between the two.
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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2003, 03:57:59 PM »
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Goodbye Inspiration
 
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I wont comment on their politics as far as the punk movement is concerned but I will say that their 'aggression' seemed somehow hollow and false, particularly when compared to bands like SLF and The Ruts. I was not sad that he had died and reading that he ignored an erstwhile 'mate' only confirms my suspicions that they were not the cornerstones the industry has cracked them up to be. Incidentally when you say nicker elastic I am assuming that you mean that Strummer wore his part in the band as someone might wear a gold medallion to a disco? They did seem that way, which is cool if your going to make it clear that that it is what your about but pretending to be a spearhead of Anarchy???

Wilyfox  


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Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion on anything Wilyfox, including what they think of The Clash, I find your post in very poor taste. I would personally be sad in Will Young, Robbie Williams, anyone from a naff boy or girl band, or just about anyone died.

I have read all the warts about The Clash in detail in the latest version of The Last Gang In Town and they were far from perfect. However despite all their games, I still consider them the very best punk band of 1977. The Only year of punk. The people I know who met Joe spoke very highly of him.

The uplifting words in tribute to Joe Strummer that started this interesting debate are not mine. They are the words from a new song by a band I also like.

Here's some more:

Quote
"You lit a flame in my heart
And it is still burning still
And everytime I hear you shout
It still gives me a thrill

So thanks for giving me my creed
I'll try to stay on side
For helping me to dare to dream
After all this time
Cos I still see you up there
On a stage and playing
Yeah, I still see you up there
I still agree with what you're saying

Goodbye inspiration
Voice of a generation"

Jake Burns of SLF



It was The Clash that influenced SLF to start the band.

I am sat here proud and shaking with rage, and trying to remain calm, in my THE CLASH t-shirt and some of these words above I have just read are making me sad and sick. But it's a free world and I'm not going to get into a The Clash vs The Ruts or The Clash vs Sid Vicious argument etc. But I do know that despite the fact that I wasn't a massive fan of both, Malcolm Owen or Sid Vicious (give me Sex Pistols '76 anyday), I was sad when they died.

GAWD Bless you Joe. They know not what they say.

Tj Sundown



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first wave
 
yes jock the first wave of punk was great until it was bought out by the majors.like i said everyone to their own but the ckash to me are bubblegum rock dont like them full stop.and for strummer to blanc a ex mate and band member knowing full well who it was is snobby and stupid.we both know jk lhas faults like us all but that is unnessessary.i dont like the clash never have and never will.

Markus




:roll: You can lead a horse to water...

Thanks for the sensitive reply Markus. Or did you not see my post?

Thanks for your explanation of Keith Levine's comments Uli. I personnally suspect it was true, 'cos The Clash admit they did play a lot of 'Deny' games about their past.

I still think that if there were no Pistols there would be no Clash and The Clash had a massive impact on music for years to come. Influencing loads of bands of which SLF were just one.

It was this comment that really hurt:

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I was not sad that he had died


I really hope I have taken it the wrong way.

I went for a long walk with my dog and a pint to cool off.

All the time I was out walking I heard this song going round and round in my head:


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It's a fine, fine dividing line
Between the truth and the lies sometimes
I don't know what you hope to find
I only know you got to be true to yourself


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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2003, 06:39:17 PM »
I was not a Clash fan.

Oh I like a few tracks but generally they don't do it for me.

However, observers of Punk can detail in far more depth than I can the beginning of this movement and THE ROLE that Joe Strummer and the Clash played in its development.

Without them Punk would not be what it is today.

And for that I am truly grateful

Joe- rest in peace

AND THANK YOU!

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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2003, 08:08:31 PM »
who sed they were glad he died?    it wasnt me .i just didnt like them i didnt know strummer so i cant comment on him.just didnt like the clash never will hopefully.  i dont like standing in dog shit either so it shouldnt offend anyone.  pro tem.
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2003, 08:19:39 PM »
tj chill pil please. you shouldnt get offended if i say i dont like someone isnt that democracy?  big deal if i dont like the clash.you may not like stuff i do i dont give a damn if you dont i dont care if you dont.is it worth arguing that i dont like something.? isnt this a discussion bored? yes it was sad strummer died we all have to, im not in a hurry to get there. but im not sorry i dont like his music.you do fine , i dont great. thats me ending this post right now, au revoir post.
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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2003, 12:18:51 AM »
Markus,

First off, I am now chilled.

Second. I never said it was you who said "I was not sad that he had died." In fact it was definately not you. It was a new poster on his first post, who hopefully didn't mean it to sound the way I took it.

Third. This is a set of posts about how sad people are that one of the true founders of Punk Rock has died before his time. (see previous posts). I feel that using this set of posts as a tool to slag off the artist and his band is the wrong place (and time) to do it.

I have no problem if half (or whatever) of the TUTS didn't like The Clash, I can understand and respect that. This is a Free World, you don't have to pay. There are many things I wish The Clash hadn't done. I just feel it's inappropriate to mention it here and now.

I'm not holding any grudges over this, but like you, I am also entitled to my opinion.

Thanks Joe  :arrow: You gave me hope, made me believe 8)  

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